Friday, October 14, 2011

Re: Great Letter

Wow II!  Mitch, thanks again!

What is unique about American culture?  The talent to create, to innovate, to think 'out of the box!'

I used to draw something on my white board in our office in China (for my Chinese 'sons and daughters'):  I would draw a small box saying, 'This is where you think.'  Then, I would draw a large circle around the box saying, 'This is where I think!  Learn to think out here (indicating the large circle!'  It's the one thing Americans have that no other culture has, the ability to think 'out of the box!' 

So, why can't we think ourselves out of our problems?


One should have nothing against human cultivation when it allows the input of the widsom of diversity of nature.
Bruce, that is wonderful what you have done. I have said before, on one fine evening, that if I had untold millions, I would buy up portions of the Illinois River to preserve as sanctuary. Not to be 'green', but to serve as a resource for humans, and their respect for nature. I do not subscribe to the model of chemical agriculture on the industrial scale.
One can ask, 'What have you done?' I do not buy conventional food products, and I have been involved with local food co-ops and have taken a classes in organic farming, horticulture, etc. When people ask me my goals in life, the main goal is to be successful as a musician and writer, and use the profit I make to start an organic - moreso holistic - food business in Illinois, a la Paul Newman, or in the vein of Amy's Kitchen products. What could be better than providing safe and wholesome food to people, providing decent jobs (with 'physical' and healthy labor), a local heritage, for how we should be stewards of the land?
People argue that we could not feed the world on organic food - it takes up too much land. My answer is, we can't afford not to. ('Organic' being the label for not using chemicals - it's more than that; one must also preserve the nutrients in the soil that provides trace elements in one's diet.)

That is my dream - and one I will die fighting for - that we subvert/convert the corporations and their political minions into a submission that recognizes wisdom and compassion, else they destroy our genetic diversity to the point of destitution.
It's very clear, and one shouldn't be, I think, distracted by the 'global warming' activists, simply because, that is a movement that has been co-opted by the elites to gain ownership. I'm not saying it is or isn't a threat, but I am wary of bleeding-heart mentalities for good reason - it's the same kind of unconsciousness that exists in conservative quarters.
The fact is, we should strive for efficiency and diversity in all areas of human cultivation, whether it be energy, food, health, the arts, education, etc. I'm finding the equation. It isn't God or enlightenment or anything. It is freedom to love, play, and be creative, to share, and have a structure in society for the justice of knowledge of nature to build as craftsmen and craftswomen. All of us have talents to give in our local habitats, whether we are machinists, storytellers, farmers, builders, philosophers, artists, athletes, rhetoricians, poets, designers, fixers, tradespeople, etc. We must allow the diversity of our own ingenuity to be happy, and we must allow the necessity of nature without stupid control mechanisms to help us live healthy, productive, blissful lives, since all things are connected.

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:13:04 +1030
Subject: Re: Great Letter

Great!  Good for you and the Bryan family!

If negative (in terms of your 'carbon footprint'), you're ahead of most!  You may be ahead of me, as I never have planted a forest, and also drove a motor vehicle many miles in the U.S. (pre bicycle).

I'll definitely camp out on your property!  In fact, I will do 'puja' (spiritual offering) there, for the Bryan family!

Hutch, slogan:  'We give more; take less!'

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bruce Bryan <> wrote:

Well you can camp at the Bryan Family forest, we planted it a few years ago.... we did a bigger one further north, Tauranga, ...I DID SOMETHING about Global CO2 levels.....before all the hype...we were dealing with it our own carbon footprint....I think for my lifetime I may negative...!

On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:55 PM, the 龙 wrote:

Thanks.  I plan to go north (in two weeks) to the very tip, and then, slowly, back down all the way to the tip of South Island.

Sounds like you've been everywhere, even some obscure places in N.Z!  But, I have a feeling this is your or some friend's property (the place you've directed me to)?  

But, you should know by now I camp out, 'rooms' too expensive for me.  I just camped out in the Dignam's backyard for two weeks (in the rain).  Now, inside Jim Berger's house (in a regular bed), I don't like so much.  Too warm, too much comfort... 

Greetings to all there in Lijiang, by the way.  I communicated with Bob when he was in Australia, maybe still...?


P.S.  In two days, with little exposure to all of N.Z., I can see why people would want to live here:  a multi-cultural population that gets along (integrated), scenic beauty, clean air (basically), and enough of whatever... But, too expensive for me., slogan:  'We give more; take less!'

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Bruce Bryan <> wrote:
Dear Hutch,
If you head up the east coast, go to Whangarei, take the coastal road to Matapouri make a left at the school field, go up the road along the mangrove stream, turn left at the first road, you should see a forest on your left above Matapouri, the road will be overgrown and take you over a bridge...there is a sign and a will recognize the sign.  Have a look around from the top of the hill.

You will also enjoy the restaurants at Tutukaka Harbor a bit before Matapouri and the Paradise Rendevous may be able to give you a nice room overlooking the Poor Knights Islands.

Go North to Kerikeri, Opua, and then Russell, then if you go further north let me can go see another deep water harbour with beautiful beaches and inexpensive accomodation.

Best wishes,


On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:26 PM, the 龙 wrote:

Hutch from Auckland, N.Z., slogan:  'We give more; take less!'

2011/10/5 Bruce Bryan MD <>
Dear Mitch
Great thoughts thank you for writing

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:20 AM, the 龙 <> wrote:

Thanks so much for the Camus quote, Mitch!  How true what he writes...

But, what is 'love,' anyway...?  Desire?  No not the 'real' kind.   'Sex,' for sure not!  Real 'love,' is giving without ever conceiving of receiving, maybe a version of Camus' 'admiring.'   You 'admire' (appreciate) something so much you want to share with it (both ways).

You are, Mitch, one I wouldn't want to lose (while I have a body).  So, hang around and keep educating me and others!

now in New Zealand, slogan:  'We give more; take less!'

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:14 AM, MITCHELL RENNER <> wrote:

Yet, we are 'Nature', as well... and nature thus becomes 'divorced' from itself. As you've remarked, Adam and Eve, tasting forbidden fruit in the garden of divinity, 'consciousness' awaking to itself and its own power to manipulate what it perceives.

Camus wrote in 1952, '...I watched the sea barely swelling at that hour with an exhausted motion, and I satisfied the two thirsts one cannot long neglect without drying up - I mean loving and admiring. For there is merely bad luck in not being loved; there is misfortune in not loving. All of us, today, are dying of this misfortune. For violence and hatred dry up the heart itself; the long fight for justice exhausts the love that nevertheless gave birth to it. In the clamor in which we live, love is impossible and justice does not suffice.'

Love is the banner of justice!

Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:47:18 +0930

Man interfering with Nature!


We think we're God!  Ah BIG NEWS, we're 'knot!' 

What's happening in the world today is the Tao trying to balance a very-out-of-balance world!  Humanity, doing the unbalancing!



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